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It is easier to call it Abortion than Murder to deal with psychological trauma
Calling Murder of babies as Abortion has a benefit that people won't feel that bad. Language is being used to twist reality, which is the whole point of this argument. Therefore there is no Irrelevant Conclusion fallacy.
The idea that abortion is accepted murder is in no way backed up by the statement that abortion is a term created to justify murder. It doesn't prove a thing.
I meant it like using a different word than killing would make it easier to be accepted, if you give it a meaning.
But you are right, it doesn't prove the main premise.
Abortion is not murder, because until week 14 the baby's body structures are not finished, so the baby is not a person yet and to be murdered you have to be a person
There is not an exact moment where the baby's body structures are finished
At birth the baby's structures are, generally, completed to the point of being able to independently take in air and eject waste, and consume nutrition and water with help.
That is also before birth. Because it's a gradual development, you can't say there is a moment of change.
Abortion is NOT socially acepted, there're still lots of people who think that an embryo's life is more valuable that the right of an actually born person (the woman) on her own body
We are discussing the fact that there is people trying to make it accepted socially.
It's legal in Spain, and murder is not
This is the whole point of the conversation.
Abortion is a legal exception to allow the murder of unborn babies.
The moment when a embryo or a fetus become a human being is not scientifically specified, and that's used for the antiabortist to make women feel guilty for making decisions on their own bodys
My argument is that the moment an ovum is fertilized, that is a human being.
Therefore, is not women's body anymore. And as a result, abortion is murdering.
Not everyone agrees that a human is created as soon as fertilization occurs.
That is the only exact moment when you can say something decisive happened. Because it's a lifeform on its own, even if fed by the host, it's still something on it's own, it actually has a different DNA.
An unborn baby is a human being
To be considered a human being, you must self conscience, which unborn babys have not. Their nervous system is not developed yet.
Do you have a source for this?
Just born babies are not self conscious, and killing them would be murder.
Just born babies have sensory input and are capable of independent interaction with the world around them- fetuses do not.
There is no change in the sensory capabilities of a baby on birth
Non born babies interact with the outside world hitting and kicking when they are awake, or when they receive inputs such as music.
There is dependent people that cannot interact with the world on their own, and killing them is murder.
In the case of patients in a vegetative state, many families of such individuals prefer to seek peaceful euthanasia or life support disconnect, since the patients are incapable of making such decisions on their own; therefore your point is not supported by real world evidence.
Prefer to, but is still murder. I believe it could be marked as fallacy but didn't find the one.
Take into account that in this whole argument I don't say that abortion is wrong, but rather that it is trying to be something like eutanasia, a socially (sometimes) accepted murder.
The definition of 'murder' is killing a human without justification or excuse, generally with malice aforethought. Neither euthanasia nor abortion meet those qualifications in any way.
Sorry, in my lack of knowledge of the English language I confused Murder for Killing.
You are right, I was meaning to say kill. The title should be rewritten as "Abortion is a socially accepted kill". Do you mind if I edit the initial premise like that to continue the argument?
Yes, that would make the argument much smoother.
after reading all the contentions, I think we both agree... :/ Abortion is a justified act of killing...
And maidermor is the one that doesn't agree...