Anarchy is order; government is chaos.

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Anarchy and government are both order. Government is an attempt to control chaos and anarchy is complete, unrelenting, unending chaos because you can not have justice with out mercy.

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  Government provides a convenient opportunity for elites to ride the chaos and direct it away from themselves while at the same time ignoring the deaths of those who die to maintain the illusion of order.
  
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Anarchy is the consistent application of rules in society - there are no exceptions to the rules.
Government is the inconsistent application of rules in society - there are exceptions to the rules.
There is no such thing as a "good" police officer

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What the words mean based on their Greek roots: An- (lack) archon (ruler) Govern (rule) ment (mind) - mind control While the definition of government meaning mind control is easier to contend, http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/160026/does-the-etymology-of-the-word-government-mean-to-control-the-mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8frC6sjrBPA it is not so easy to contend that Order Followers are required to ignore their morality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9FpBAVuIc

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3 years, 2 months ago

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Why should we assume anarchy implies a more consistent application of rules than any other society? The second anyone in an anarchist society imposes their will on another, they create an exception to the rule of anarchy. cobramilk

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  The rules aren’t applied inconsistently, the exceptions are part of the rules.
  
  It could make the rules unjust, but not chaotic.
  
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  2 years, 8 months ago
  
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  Agree with the fallacy reporter. OP just made some wild claims with zero evidence or explanation. Why can we assume that there are always no exceptions to rules in anarchy?
  
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  3 years, 2 months ago
  
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    Not the point. The point is that anarchist morality doesn't make an exception for one organization (if you threaten to kidnap someone, if he doesn't pay, its robbery, if the government does it, its taxation)
    
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      Similar double standards extend to the corporate world- when a poor man steals a loaf of bread he is a thief and is sent to jail, when a rich man swindles millions out of their money, he or she is allowed to retire with a payout of millions of dollars.
      
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      2 years, 8 months ago
      
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      This is a instance of "The Worst Argument In The World".
      
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      2 years, 8 months ago
      
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        Actually it isn’t, it just state that the OP speak about the exceptions that the government make, not that we should judge these exceptions exactly the same way as a typical instance of the class we can put the exception in.
        
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  Well he has a point, in anarchy you are always subject to yourself and everyone around you, and what ever the consequences are. Anything not anarchy, government, tries to step in any how it can in the anarchy situation.
  
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    Why would the government don’t be just a part of "everyone around you" ?
    
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Anarchy involves no outside influence allowed to step in in cases of conflict; without having any significant ramifications for your actions, the rich and powerful (who would be protected from interference themselves) could exert their influence without consequence in ways that would destroy order.

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2 years, 8 months ago

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  Without a government and police force to protect the property rights of the elite class, there is nothing stopping the people from destroying the influence of the wealthy by whatever means they find necessary.
  
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  Anarchy involves outside influence allowed to step in in cases of conflict.
  There are rules in anarchy, and these rules could be enforced by anyone (because there is no special power).
  
  A rule which state that you can’t enforce any rule would be self-defeating.
  
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Anarchy is order; government is chaos.

Government is a Polity

Anarchism is a Political Orientation

Society is a Social Group